Mark Clarkson, Business Development Director ASPAC, OAG - Andrew Wong, Regional Director Flights,TripAdvisor discuss the future of LCC in asia, how that will affect the industry as a whole and how travel companies can better share data
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And and what's so we won one hall a course as well and some of the ad market dynamics. And that it might put and call for double. We don't some good discussion about hope that X bid the customer jumped. I'm just like using dizziness weight already but as gold gnawed said the Centre of gravity is moving east. Somebody made it to draw from but there's only a only one. And that looking the weight body aircraft models. A fund of a weight body aircraft models of this and 4 is Joe Pacific region. Every Hardenne in the Middle East to that they monarchy or 160%. The core. Weight body models. But and to some point six and Frazier. Either grow my point backs and I think it's how in 700 Maine to get Kraft the Asia region. And the Christian an average account size and and those a couple of barking everyday. That's the problem of the type of beating a poor fit for some context. Salt are we sure well I think yes the short answer and what can they simply at the year. The range form while on oil for example have got 600 plus million people button and wells. And if we extend that it's it owes them looking at the half billion people. And which has typically half the global population still has very much a dynamic market Niger an ability. Slight market he. A couple of whose pain be brought by the Asia Pacific. Region and then we've we've looked at India. China and Indonesia as being very much the in the parity is oh Otis a joint pain that that growth. And but always talk about these countries being baked both engines to print some context again looking Indonesia for example. And while still around 372. Domestic airline seats and for every thousand people population. Compare that chain has 300 fine. Look at Europe north which has a much more on the bill will cost market. And the same numbers 1400 need to to and in the US Toms 3000. School on the starting for work that. What is actual paper reports an Asian Pacific thinkers that can. Mark I'll just pick was a Deere saw I don't look at Europe. Are relatively penetration within Europe are. Foreign India specifically and then I'll China did lose one lumber and information as well. Our and in the biggest like because I think finally interesting ones can play back of the in Asia for our encourage years. Sold more then one. Tall are. Not equities Steve. Are looking at long horn right let's that's what we're looking at on this but it must play our focus is really ready for that kind of a journey and then. Above a mobile. Are iPad is he's not heading right kind of aircraft so. As to see vehicle of flop modern kind of in Europe and America when it tried conventional long haul arm. Our partition as if you really want to kind of the journey of. I think they are. A minute specks. If the goal maybe into initiated in a beyond that term top hit our range. Then in a peacock wrote in Asia ex and some chance they've had popped with the European services. Minute combination of the wrong again Kraft paper. Then hike your place is heightened competition. When you get up what that range of service then the economics. A sort of went point by fuel. And the efficiency of the F up let's quit challenge. I think within that radius spend with their slightly more fuel efficient aircraft and what are the what took place just know. I think that there's a very strong market for longer hole course and is so. But our financial I would like Europe and until here. Then that nothing really happened or leave me play company with just a really happening as we speak. If agree incremental demand argue for even a lot of shift are. Business defining the what cannibalisation foreign exchange from the fall on our carriers. To the law Moscow. I think that it will be a little bit of also mean I think that one of the factors that we have to think about about the world low cost long haul model is. Yes there's yet economics for the airline to how would work but fuel efficiency aircraft type etc. but it's how. How long he is a passenger wielding to sit in an aircraft C especially narrow body plane 320. All reform how ups so wonderful. To three hours but still we fine but when you're going a little bit further some of these credit segments let's say it's far Baird's. Japan to China. Then you know within the. For full service scary when baker just included were you actually get a deal where there is inflated duty rates. That's is when becoming into the customer's mind. Ends a lot of the time now I mean for example that I'm seeing a lot of cheap fares by yet clear how wonderful service period ends. At the Chinese false or risk areas are very very price competitive. Enzo while you know the step up a big increment between a low cost to a full service in many cases it's not that significant. Sell it's not just it's not addressed. There but I just serve the business model for for a long haul is the V is limited and what exactly would exact would be that the price rate. Fenced off people looking off for their country and of course if if you might get a good outlook came up you know can get my family left I'm looking at flights between Delhi and Singapore and unbelievably high feed our knowledge Elan and Melinda here. Popping up the charts every time I'm one of the law passed area along the lake fault for this period and the price differences. Heidi. Our in a big plenty of dollars if you wouldn't want to make a decision upon what I completely get it is the consumer really. Who've been on a narrow body aircraft they have the honour for us I think consumer behaviour is going to define. Really non holders Charlie's going to be a novel that. Four hour radius yeah that's interesting and in terms of your question about cannibalisation of sorts of mean if a play them quickly. Reppas sending at the presentation made by. Scoops a couple conference or so ago. Within the Singapore Airlines group you have one hold a premium that Singapore airline to have tiger which is short haul low cost you had scooped which has. Long haul forecast in. You have sources earlier. Which is so there's a bit of their support and our other. The pie for everybody here ends good would be operating routes that are too thin forcing airlines to be making as a business were so theoretically the market is naturally segmented between leisure business. Premium and non premium. Timing I think you've done carefully then I think that the polling makes sense. But with aircraft orders that's why just they are they will need to be deployed some. Ends are ultimately. In might overlap. But I think overall as we've seen in Europe there's a lot of places that have been created thanks to right here he would never have long they would never even heard of the town. And yet it's it's NNN get two men was created so I think that it probably a lot of possibility for that's one thing. A good I think that the margin of just four to a number probably. The larger more established a mortar space where sixteen runs in top consumer behaviour lipid clinic of the very quick very sharp response that. And as the others as well as abroad know they've become more about which we've seen in then stop more from being. Guess we're all thank all the LTC. Into maybe more via. Mean why not special kind of not addition court since the traditional terms of we look if you could buy programs. Started what did you hear it is you know again and talk with easyJet example. And kick traffickers will realise and Katz of the two point. Adding capacity in your right here and in view point that what people might hinder viable and was up look at it what goes amusia. All these things started with par. And postcards can be successful. Known of the future I gotta start doing more things that can be no we're doing at beginning bill that would take a good group. We touched on this one. A tilt but I don't know at all different context we want to be at the top twenty. Could trigger markets and the Pacific. And intends ups were outside forceful package will feel last fought by Nielsen. What this test the bureau obviously as big and important chain with in the region and the bubble in the big operate can quickly see this chain Taiwan. Saw in terms of up switch sides obviously average fourth a bias for five years. It's number one. And it's of the top twenty country markets turns out of course include China so. You know we've ever commit some decisions falling chains not a huge huge market. Arising middle class. Hits its flies increasing. GDP thoughts. You know. 50% and proportion of the population. Wording of the company is still I think there's a significant growth yet comforting the market fourth. Domestically but increasingly with and with the region as well. And let me just binal two point text and Beijing growth. Compared to other regions. And rich consumer overdraft Norway is. Considering its would not guilty tick bust in the Asia region and was that the weeks and bike park prospect into the 21 century images York city's big award from Europe maybe ten yields assault. Before that and got in North America bitter bitter mature market fairly stable the last 1015 years and in terms about what numbers then the vaults. Go to see capacity has tripled. Since the year 2000. On the rate popped to Robert Gavin terms stage length saw. And hobble its appeal a small number not what consumers that the and number of long hole LTC sector saw what 2000 males. It's a small number of the popular but it's actually a double all the key vast. Fifteen years will head start become. More of our. An issue. You know I might add in terms of capacity Ellen I think it was speculated. Bratz fifteen years ago when the cost curious restrict up in Asia. That it would not be a phenomenon that would work in Asia because the Asian consumer was used to a higher level servers and then ended just wouldn't work. I think they would its I think that are with 50% more one more the capacity in southeast Asia been low cost carriers I think. That's been proven to not getting tickets for hit soul what you know we have readings on airlines and trip Baxter. And in many cases for low cost airlines rates higher than the force of the scariest. And it's so please be maturity of the markets that people's expectations are in check of white -- pointing gets on the low cost carrier. It is a simple no frills service and people's expectations are checked the butt of there receiving and therefore there happen. So what I think but you know the model is in a secure place be cares that customer has flown to appreciated for what it's. But our. And maybe you've doubled the lot. 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Weighted value has been touching Canada. They want couple's relationship because the need that extra traffic to sustain. Their model as bill and move recently commissioned a report. And based on the fight for what markets looking at the what we have. Calling the real three. And we can see that in the US for example the three major candidates for the huge consolidation in the domestic market area. Look at the big buchananism Middle East and we've got a big yelling grips chain. To some extent of the big yelling grips Europe. And implement some summer. Trends happening in so it's villages where over. Top two mostly brands are really going to consortia give up market. Squeeze out competition. I think a view all real trouble busting Turkey's bid you know it sure. And a realtor these top 25. And we sit one more he'll be rejoinder for elsewhere I guess maybe cups margin ever what's actually not a whole lot but. That's believe we drift away. Salute these of the top 25 long haul. 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I'm triggered by so we have about 300 million people come to the site every month 800 million yeah that includes. That also includes our sister sites their us travel related. And terms so something that we've got into recently trip about a instead of simply being the over for a traffic into Otis into hotels. We have started to take bookings in the forum for nickel instant can sort of facilitating the booking. On our website but the booking alternately belong studio T. Sell our straight to get more insights openness at the flurry but benefit audio offered what do product that's very good. I'm sorry I absolutely cannot tells embassies and a part of this instant booking at its. Now we are working more and more. With hotel chains in individuals. Individual even small mom and pops. In many ways to refer all the trip about a traffic directly. To. To go to to bottle tells penalty as well target we competing for the same. 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When we tracked the juries end of research of people who worked on trip biased and not onto the backs so it's actually quite interesting services. Fancy comp score dad have rippled cooking and taking a look at customers and whether doing what they're not doing so. In late in the sense of in the case of hotels. Our own usery is alternately. Buying their hotel after the nine the sixth. Day. For. Or their research. N'.s. B average. For those who did not used adviser was 68. Its sole. Getting into this kind of dad at this has kind of getting into we're trip advisory is touching in the customers structure so. When we did the study we found that in estimated one in seventeen people online. Our visited trip advisory July 2040. Sell at any point of the travel jury the ending up on the trip advisor site. Taking a look at the destination see that the distinction that they want to go to reading all of the bit about the city. Looking up hotels getting a price. Or August or effectively than their ultimately coming back to us in booking closer to three before month after reports. So maybe 1% of buyers who. Winds Chitra provide better end of that purchasing it. Four weeks or longer. At apple wants so you know I guess the take away from this is bad theory is the their areas in need to be in on developing channels. Four hotels and for airlines because the consideration processors have been very very quickly in the booking in the research stage. That's clearly you can use that piece of data can get within companies here align the company's car rental companies have come in and do. Maybe market could replace. Perhaps about poverty or whatever Tenet that grand stage. Triple waivers marketing don't give up to do our legal fees. Marketing play so what I'm really this bad is. Used for making the site is best as a Ken can be used to experience. One of the things that we concentrate on is a a platform that was appropriate at every point of the travel process could sell at the research stage but being inexperienced. Particularly at a tablets in particular to desktop. Arm when it actually comes to be on sites we have eight model lap we have more ball wed. And we also have. Offline city guides as well yet sell what I mean restruct is probably the best example but administrative organise your polling could be planning a restaurant before we get there. But our apple have all of the restaurant's that are closest your hotel there's even a compass they're above a tally which direction to wap. N so bad experiences particularly Richard that flights. En and that's what we're concentrating on the experiences. The image of Andrew vote in the late sixties said the luggage to thrust looking for then picking up do you track bid. The patent. Through at that point about. To a bid you know. From do you want a better place to what options well attended but I'm not aware that we do but I'm sure about that probably. Wouldn't be too difficult to do any would be interesting to be able to see. Our because ultimately we are hauling BP hike to people to display the price on the screen time show but callable paper we duplicate what. So just take. Slightly that quite often times I guess. Want to reflect your own and the vision of group in major brands like. I think probably Vonage for the consolidation. My view guest in the region the view that the consolidation that's happening on content up here or something is going to be Brian blades will. And talk wrote in Asia credit line here as will and what it is a number of different entities no throughout the region. And as we talk to both guilty he's more in the business model. And it just bid it clearly what you want connecting traffic knows they'll sort. Not just point to point services. And with in the region for maybe picking up India. And give way to top off points at least Asia bolt was seen coming down from northeast Asia have been accessing hot sector exposure. Or even down to two Australia. And just another example disability to ease up on what can it get started if things a lot more up the traditional and filming models for years. What made an about the routes and to be for a payment of Singapore two years ago I was managing our trip better place which in mind that and that's for the included our. Flight at a stretch late in the UK France Germany. Old Europe. Free each of the sites consistently. At the top search groups worse went into Bangkok and then wondered to New York. For France it wears terrace to Bangkok terrace Geneva. Germany saying it's a protectorate separate so the profile up a trip advising users look for flights in Europe was consistently long haul. And then in the medium haul and then kind of around the region. Still want to move to Europe I suspected bedding with the various pen maker and I have been more wrong so consistently fought a flight search sites in Singapore talent late show Indonesia Philippines. All the top ten routes spiral regional song within two to three hours flying time. So from Singaporeans are we think we're KLA. Car. Two places in the late show and then it goes as far. Shares about tac came Nicholas rest of all the same thing for inhalation and a tight sites. So you know with so many local asking areas in the people at so many cheap options for revisions to travel to. It really really is all about low cost government experience so from a flight at the search side. And maybe this has applied for repeat next session explorer African players who we can now our got quite a search. It is critical to have the low cost carriers on our website because if we don't then we're not providing the cheapest fairest and that ultimately what people want to see if so really this market is all about Bob cost gaps that is probably the most important thing from flight which point it. And that's when beauty is that I worked with tap with the same that the route to a pretty much the same. As what does a pick up. Which has a bit difficult because a lot of these routes provide no commissions from fourteen point of view. Armed but ultimately they are content but it is endless which must have. Yet and that would thirdly of their bigger than and the good from our point elevenths and the man definitely feel. A lot of our. Pardon promised within down to our Nordstrom can't book chain fill up Friday for example we know we're had our NE. I'll. Mid year round. At that level of and it's only been in the last couple of the other piece started looking at adding effort on in the next breath. 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So that the majority of users are booking two or three weeks if events of the trip which has not that much lead time dot. Yes sell what back go to were up. There's steady is that people are typically buy reflect first which of course makes sense they'd then booked the hotel nine bids put it. Within nine. So really I mean this just goes the hall. Eight now the south East Asia low cost carrier craze. Is that you can very spontaneously choose to go somewhere because it's cheap. N bickers. You don't want to spend another week commencing reporting does decide who want to get out profit. And it's our then there will be even bigger thing about travelling and it's in southeast Asia it said it's not expensive one to actually get there. Unlike Europe is typically expensive. Or if you're going to the US then. In our unique horror ends of this complexity sub East Asia it's cheap it's great value and you know in the too expensive. So people could be what what politics right. 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And to feel carriers in recent yields operating and 740 sevens and more which has Hong Kong and being one example. You can see it quickly adjusted their impact will the overall fuel course and the support so for example. As compared to 77. And support of would be consuming twice as much fuel at all. When you could Albrecht ten out over a sector that really as a significant metal miners much looking under the back the crap. And what's interesting your fingers do if he kept in terms of the fuel prop what car and Pepsi. And that's obviously do stick with club for her in Asia and north which it vulnerable to expended no got the seven sevenths as well saw. And a general sense fumigate Kent 25% of the total course I want all sectors like the 60% more or even higher. Not is postponed. And in Asia ex has had some challenges in terms or picking trips are ten out box. So is the wrap up us local station I guess. You know we're right. 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Than it can be very very effective because a lot of messages that are out there people researching. On average three sites for war I think it's 80% versus Q3 sector more. When it comes a searching for a flight so there's a lot of competing messages and computing sellers out there yet. And in both sides of the matter thirtieth actually asserting what is a debate within bulls' 330s fold. I'm and that number is not really feedback yeah gold posted I think over the Griffith yeah David weekley. Ends right now services model plug a subject for the next session. Bias when people are looking at I met the search side I think that the popularity and research sectors that there is vowing to be. Got seven pound front and that a search side. Because especially herein southeast Asia you can find a fair that this cheaper. On the online travel agency sites than on the airline sector roughly. And of course the very frustrating experience for ad distribution managers. 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